Minutes: March 5, 2020
Meeting was called to order at 7:04 p.m.
Statement of Compliance was read and the salute to the flag.
All in attendance.
Nancy Adam made a motion to open the meeting to the public, Barbara Kostenko seconded, all in favor.
There were no public questions or comments.
Jessi Paladini made a motion to close the public session, Dee Franklin seconded, all in favor.
Commissioner Paladini introduced Wayne McCabe to speak about CLG. Wayne McCabe is a professional planner, on the Sussex County Historical Society, works at Waterloo on capitol grants and oversees restoration work at the village.
Commissioner Paladini stated that Mayor Burrell wants to have a strong commission.
Wayne McCabe stated:
Input from Internet Source What Does a CLG Do?
A certified local government must meet the following minimum goals:
- Establish a qualified historic preservation commission.
- Enforce appropriate state or local legislation for the designation and protection of historic properties. In most cases this is done in the form of a local ordinance.
- Maintain a system for the survey and inventory of local historic resources.
- Facilitate public participation in the local preservation, including participation in the National Register listing process.
- Follow additional requirements outlined in the state’s CLG procedures. Each state has procedures for certification that may establish additional requirements for becoming a CLG in that state.
How to get certified?
Certification happens jointly through steps by local, state, and federal governments:
- Contact your state historic preservation office (SHPO) and ask for the CLG Coordinator. They will assist your community in understanding the requirements and application process.
- Submit completed application to the SHPO, who will approve and forward to the National Park Service (NPS).
- Certification occurs with NPS approval and written notification to the state and the local government.
Once the design is complete there is training every year, it could be on architecture style, window design, different turnpikes through the town in the past, etc.
Wayne McCabe suggested to google the 1860 Sussex County New Jersey Wall Map.
Above is the Princeton Archives that Wayne McCabe stated were in better condition than most.
Wayne McCabe talked about Waterloo and an acid factory/wood, to treat wool. It is addictive when you start to explore what was here before. Names on houses are interesting as well.
Wayne McCabe then asked the commission if they want to be a strong or weak commission and goes on to explain each.
A strong commission needs no planning board approval; plans from owner are brought before the commission, the commission approves and then the owner gets a building permit and starts project.
A weak commission the owner fills out an application, goes before the planning and zoning board, then the building permit is needed to start project.
Jessi Paladini mentioned a historic building that the owner painstakingly spent $400,000 in proper renovation, only to find that a few years later it was completely changed. Wayne McCabe stated it was “human error” that let it slip through the cracks.
Wayne McCabe stated that if the property is on our list then it should follow through district block & Lot and street addresses are needed. Lists with jurisdiction are very important.
Wayne McCabe stated that an ordinance should have a procedure to recognize the property.
Wayne McCabe stated that there are 45 CLGs in New Jersey, with two in Sussex County, Hamburg and Newton.
He stated that we need an inventory of what is in the township, such as 19th century industrial sites, possibly blacksmiths, anything other than a residence or church. Possibly do a dig on old property locations. Example is Newton Kohls where the big block wall is, an old cemetery is there and the Kohls project had to be redesigned to accommodate the cemetery.
Jessi Paladini mentioned the Peter Brown Farm, Old historic Glenwood, are on the historic register, even with just an old foundation left.
Wayne McCabe stated that something can be taken off the register if everything is physically changed, no architectural elements are left and stripped off all signs of history.
Jessi Paladini stated that an ordinance on demolition of historic properties is needed. The applicant must prove that it has major structural issues. The board of education was to be demolished at one time. Definitions are important in ordinances, simple language that is precise.
Historic district needs to look at when they widen roads and what impact will it have. It is the commissions job to find the impact. Check on a radius of one quarter mile around site, then a half a mile radius around site.
Checking into grants and studies: The funding use to be a 60/40 split with the town but now it is 100 percent funded.
Wayne McCabe brought up the Newton Theatre asking how do we educate the people on cultural resources of the town.
Give & Take: Ordinances need to be in detail criteria. CLG to get grants, criteria to work with Land Use Act.
Jessi Paladini stated that the ordinances were gutted in 2012 with the changeover in new government. Dan was in charge of codification along with the lawyer. When it came back it was changed. The public hearing was taken out. When the council adopted new code they never realized it was gutted. We need to get ordinance up to par to become a CLG. At the next meeting we will take a closer look at the ordinance.
Wayne McCabe stated that in 1990 Newton was a state model for this ordinance. He has about 30 samples of ordinances if needed. The ordinance should be more reflective of our community.
Jessi Paladini stated that the planning board and land use need to look at it and then send to council. We have had the same ordinance for the past 8 years. The mayor is supportive in the historical preservation. Applicants need a check list with criteria.
Wayne McCabe stated that there are 100-150 municipalities with historical preservation commissions. There is no downside.
Jessi Paladini stated that people view that being included in the master plan puts limitations on their rights to their property or restrictions.
Discussion on seven to eight cemeteries and various properties including Glenwood Pochuck Post Office, and Apple Valley. Discussion on Cape May, Ocean Grove, and the need to preserve what they have. Funding is important and NJ historic commission grants are very competitive.
Jessi Paladini brought up the historic farming district with the Rickey property to the stateline on Route 94.
Public Comment: Rickey brought up that High Breeze Farm and every building in that corridor is farming or was farms at one time. We should register and acknowledge the background of the properties.
Wayne McCabe stated that the National Register does not limit what you do to the property ownership and value.
Wayne McCabe stated that to start we need the ordinance put back together to have criteria and procedure. Rewrite ordinance and include everything. His staff will send us a sample municipal ordinance for a rural area.
Shawn Mazur read part of the master plan.
Jessi Paladini will send town code and master plan to Wayne McCabe. Next month we will ask Mayor Burrell to come to a meeting.
Wayne McCabe stated that after the ordinance is created we can apply for a CLG, it takes about 3-4 months for approval. They will need a copy of our minutes, agenda, and training. We also need an application by the historical commission for applicants to fill out and a check list for them to follow.
Wayne McCabe stated that we should only get applications that are designated, there are 300 sites on historic list and 20 designated properties. Only the 20 designated properties applications can come before us.
Public Sally Rinker: A recommendation from commission that Jaime Rickey’s historic attributes will enhance our community. Elective thinking...we are putting history first.
Jessi Paladini stated that if a property has a potential of being on our list, then it should be included. There should be a procedure of what goes on the list. We will stick to what’s on the master plan. Some are on the National Registry and about 6 properties on both, with 4 on national list. Now we need to see how we can market it to promote Vernon. If they are on the national list we will include them.
Jessi Paladini stated that the first thing we need to address is the ordinance. The second is a selling point to benefit the council.
Shawn Mazur stated that signage is important as per the master plan.
The county will give us $600-700 toward signage and we will wait for their application package to be ready.
Jessi Paladin stated that the budget is $2000 plus the 2 signs. Additional funds can come from the “bedroom tax” which brings in approximately $250-300,000 a year.
Jessi Paladini discussed looking for a designated historian that needs to be active. This topic will be discussed next meeting.
Wayne McCabe concluded and left at 9:00 p.m.
Approval of February 2020 minutes. Motion by Will Brown, second by Nancy Adam, all approved.
Jessi Paladini discussed the sign and her action with the company. The sign is one sided and we could send it back to have the other side done. She will speak to the mayor on this matter.
The written signage was read by Jessi Paladini, more wording was added, possibly to add that in 1986 it was burned down. Jessi Paladini and Shawn Mazur will revise.
Jessi Paladini stated that historic preservation signage should be uniformed. Signs run from $1300-$1750, 30X42 is about $2200. (The designs were passed around).
Signs were discussed among commissioners. Any wording, please send through e-mail. No action can be taken through e-mail.
Jessi Paladini discussed the scenic byway next meeting is May and by that time we will have applied. Will Brown will work on the farming district. Land use in April.
Dick Wetzel discussed the scenic byway and how there is no place to pull over and enjoy. Asking local businesses to put picnic tables and pull offs maybe wild flowers.
A motion to end the meeting was made by Ann Ross and seconded by Nancy Adam, all in favor.
Meeting was adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
Minutes taken by Debbie Coulson Demether